ID help?

Juliarugula · 2024-08-07T01:12:09+00:00

Anybody recognize this one? It’s very cute and a pretty color. Might it be Camano Zoe? (It’s a miniature for sure)

Teddahlia

Mingus Anita may not be around anymore.

Juliarugula

Teddahlia Mingus Anita may not be around anymore.

Is that a round-about way of saying “doesn’t look like a match”? Or do you have insider info?

(I picked this up at a society sale, so could be anything, and no real way to track down any information about it…).

(Also, it’s sort of not really ringing my bell so not sure I’ll grow it another year one way or another.)

MissyWeitzel

Juliarugula ask Phil Mingus! I've found several dahlia varieties at society sales that nobody sells anymore. It seems like a lot of members in my club tend to grow mostly the same stuff year after year, maybe getting a couple new ones to replace any stock they lose. I think there are a lot of almost extinct varieties hiding in society tuber sales and it makes me wish I could shop them all!

Teddahlia

I researched it on dahliaaddict . No one has it for sale. Anita is no longer in the ADS Classification book. Pinelands Princess was very popular back when and is a Cyril Higgo variety from South Africa. In the old days ,you could buy seeds from laciniated dahlias from Cyril Higgo. Most seeds that people buy are duds but these Higgo seeds were dynamite and there were several introduced from them. Tioga varieties are an example. I believe Myrtle's Folly may be one also. I should have bought some but did use Nenekazi as a seed parent and got one good seedling(HH Miss Scarlet) that is still around but barely.
We quit growing laciniated flowers when all the notches on the petals ruined really nice flowers. It worked and we have very few notched flowers now.

Juliarugula

Teddahlia thanks for the info! That’s interesting regarding seed sales!

MissyWeitzel ha! I suppose that would be the logical thing to do, huh? And, yeah, society sales are the very best….

Teddahlia

Phill Mingus died several years ago and his son was supposed to keep things going. A pass off to a relative often is not successful and the son was not able to even dig the last of his dahlias, let alone plant them again. This happened while Phil was sick and he desperately tried to get some stock together but was not able to do so.

I forgot that our society has several donors who specialize in donating the new varieties and often the same years releases from cuttings. For example, I give stock of new ones to a member that donates lots of cuttings to our sales and auction. Yes, we do sell tubers of old reliable flowers but I hardly ever even look at that table.

katyaker

Juliarugula I have Mingus Anita P. and got the tubers from the actual Anita (Mingus) Peterson who the dahlia is named after - Philip Mingus Sr's sister. Mine is quite a bit darker than this. Here is a photo I took of Mingus Anita P last week.

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However, this is what it looked like on 9/28/2022. Much more like yours.

Juliarugula

katyaker thank you for the photos! This looks more promising. I had forgotten about it, but I found an earlier photo I took of the bloom and the development is similar. It’s funny - they almost look like two different flowers.

Bessie

katyaker , @juliarugula ,The photos of the different forms of Mingus Anita P. are educational for me. As a relatively recent grower of dahlias(3 years), it's eye opening how much form shifting is taking place in the same plant. I have some seedlings that behave similarly. I was not sure what to think of the shifting flower/floret form, likely brought on by environmental factors.

BackyardBouquets_17

Any idea what this one might be? It’s labeled as Daisy Duke but most certainly not like the plant beside it. I don’t recall ordering anything like this either.

Juliarugula

I’ll post another photo once this opens, but I have a new mystery. This plant was labelled Odyssey, which it obviously isn’t. My Odyssey tubers came from my own stock, and I don’t recall growing anything with this color scheme last year. Also, this is a new area in my dahlia garden, so it’s unlikely that this was a deeply buried tuber from years past that has a strong will to survive. I guess my dad might have given me a tuber that was mislabelled and I planted it here and I don’t remember? Or maybe I was sent a NOID tuber with a purchase and I threw it in here and forgot? Anyway. Surprise!

Bessie

Juliarugula total speculation... AC Rosebud
I grew it for the first time this year and the colors look very similar.

Juliarugula

Juliarugula forgot? Anyway. Surprise!

Figured it out! It’s Bubbling Over, which was grown nearby last year. I must have moved a volunteer tuber around in a shovel full of dirt when I was prepping beds.

Juliarugula

Bessie you’re right - it does look similar. It’s not one I’ve ever had but like I said, could be a NOID.

Teddahlia

Identifying unknowns can be frustrating to both the person asking and the person being asked. The person asking should have labeled it says the person being asked. Then throw it away as it has no value. The person asking says it has sentimental value. All the more reason you should put a label on it. But I did not and what is this one? There are at least 5000 dahlia varieties being grown and my computer brain does not have a picture of each one in there. You should have put a label on it . They never say go ahead and invent a name for it and why not as they are not going to sell it.

Juliarugula

Teddahlia You should have put a label on it

But I put a label on it. It said “Odyssey”. 🤣🤣🤣. (Odyssey is actually growing beside it).

I have remembered that last year I tried to grow AC Outlander in a nearby spot but ended up pulling the plant as it seemed pretty sad. I wonder if this is a leftover tuber from that plant. This was a new patch of ground in my dahlia garden but I probably moved some shovels full of dirt around while digging.

For me, I think the curiosity is more that I have random plants from years previous pop up, and I sort of kick myself that I sometimes can’t figure out what they are. Tubers aren’t supposed to overwinter in ground at all in our area, but every year I have surprise return visits. This year Zwink, Rhadeghast, and Canoz Jaguar returned. And maybe this guy?

Last year I had one return from at least two years prior which was crazy to me. It’s back again this year. I tried (not super hard) to dig it out last year, but it’s really deep and I didn’t care enough.

LoriDee

Juliarugula Odyssey is one of my favorites 😆 but I now write the variety, seller & price paid on a tree tag & wrap it around the tuber when I plant & that has solved lots of mysteries when I dig them up 🤓

SteveM

Once in a while I have an unknown variety come up in a row of "known" varieties. So far, it has been a seedling that had germinated from last years seed pods that I left on the plants. Usually, the poor form will reveal the deception but sometimes the form is pretty good and one year I tagged one to save for a second year.

Teddahlia

Part of problem is that the average person on the street thinks a long time dahlia aficionado should know all the varieties as there "cannot be more than 100 or so." The dahlia expert has been through the dahlia identification a thousand times usually without much success and is rather tired of everybody not using a cheap little tag to record the identity of the flower(s). I have been telling people how easy it is to search by picture on Google but that seems to be more technology than they can handle.
Hapet Pearl, shown by Teresa Bergman to Best MB in show.

JessieC

Juliarugula Returning to your mystery bloom, I am glad I took a closer look at what I have still blooming here yesterday. I put a Camano Zoe next to Odyssey, which was beaten down by spider mites or something awful early in the scalding heat of June and July. I saw this pretty pale pink one and just assumed it was C. Zoe, but on closer inspection, it is Odyssey! The plant survived after I chopped it down to nothing months ago. Here are some pics, with HH Miss White for comparison too.

I feel like Odyssey is what I hoped C. Zoe would be. @Teddahlia is right. C. Zoe has an ugly center at both ends of the season, and a very short window during which it looks good. I also like the one that you posted above. I was doubting if I’d keep Odyssey, since it succumbed to disease or pests. But I think it might replace C. Zoe, which has frustrated me for a few seasons.

Serenity_Base

Juliarugula
I think Pink Pearl but may later resemble wizard of Oz

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