The form on this second year seedling, 23049, does not meet standards due to low petal count, but a bouquet full of these flowers glows, has a lot of interest and movement. I started to compare(rationalize) them to different forms of roses where there's the prim and proper hybrid tea, versus some of the untamed flowing David Austin roses. The back petals last around 4 days in the vase before softening, but the centers age nicely, lasting well over a week.
This is a few vases of flowers picked yesterday.
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