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Article I wrote for our club newsletter.
Dahlia Talk 03-26-24
by Ted J. Kennedy

Thirty one people talked about dahlias for over two hours. The moderator endeavored to ask the same questions of all the participants and the question was much like the nursery garden rhyme “Mary, Mary how does your garden grow? ” Actually only one Mary was there and most everyone described how they grow their dahlias and the focus was how far apart do you plant them and how do you water them and how do you stake them with lot of discussion on growing in pots and grow bags.

Answers to the questions were the proverbial “all over the map”. Spacing of the flowers was generally done based on the size of the flower with the giant dahlias given the most space at about 30 inches for many of the people. The most common spacing for most dahlia was 12 to 18 inches apart in the rows. Note I said rows and that was not applicable to the very many people who do not plant in rows. There are many people who still use the oldest method and that is planting dahlias at the base of a stake. The conversation for those people was, what kind of stake? It was sort of like a history lesson. The traditional way to grow dahlias on stakes dates back well into the 19th century and people used wooden stakes. I am happy to report that some people still use wooden stakes. For example the Australian grower uses 6 foot wooden stakes to grow his show flowers. They are called tomato stakes there and are getting harder to find. He stated that his soil is very sandy and that wood stakes(when new especially) are more stable in the winds there. They do last a few years and get shorter as they are cut down and are used on shorter plants. He stated that the typical price is about $4.00 per stake but that his club had negotiated a $2.00 per stake price.

Continuing on the subject of stakes, a direct replacement for wood is of course is metal stakes and the most common one mentioned was half inch re-bar available at places like Home Depot, where they will cut it to length. One grower stated that she did not like the rusty look of the re-bar and she buys epoxy coated re-bar for her garden. One gentleman said he likes the look of rust.

Some talk went to irrigation and one person was placing her ¾ inch header pipe and asked how to both get the holes for the fittings and how to keep the pipe from twisting and the lines are not in a straight row on the header pipe. The cheap tool made of plastic to make the holes works, but the best answer was to use a cordless drill. And the answer for the twisted pipe was that he cuts off the pipe and glues a coupling to correct the problem. I stated that my kit came with small shutoff valves for each row and that it is nice to be able to turn off a row while working on it.

The content of the two hour zoom meeting is hard to capture in words as so many things are discussed and I am only giving you a taste of what was discussed. You really need to participate and offer your knowledge and get so much in return.

One discussion a bit off subject, was a discussion on seed production in dahlias and the presenter stated that he has observed three separate seed setting periods in dahlias. Yes, they were number one, number two and number three and he explained the dates and reasons and how to coax more seed from dahlias. Interesting discussion.

Back to spacing, stakes and spacing and distance between rows was discussed but let's move on to the more interesting conversation on the newer dahlia growing method: grow bags. People are using seven gallon grow bags to grow dahlias and one advantage is that with some effort they can be moved. Try that with dahlias in row. The bags are available on Amazon and it was said be sure the bags have a handle and the cost was somewhere between $1.25 and $2.00 each. What do you put into the bags for soil? There was lots of discussion of buying loads of 3 way or 4 way soil mix in bulk(and sharing with neighbors). Lots of talk about how much a the bag weighs when filled and a comparison was made to a five gallon bucket of dirt but a bit more as the bags are seven gallons. Grow bags seem to have lots of happy customers.

A short discussion was on shade cloth and the person planning his new structure was going have it be 9 feet above the garden. Two people quickly pointed out that 11 feet is more appropriate as a 6 foot dahlia grows to 11 feet under shade cloth. One person said a local fanatic had his at 13 feet.

Spacing of the emitters on t-tape was discussed. By the way, the term t-tape is the replacement for what we used to call drip tape and it comes in 1,000 foot rolls and it is used to water dahlias by most large growers. You can buy the tape with the emitters spaced at 12 inches, 6 inches, or 4 inches. I use 12 inches as it takes longer to soak the garden and I do not use a timer. Others like the ones that put out water at much faster rate. Whatever suits you is the answer.

Horticultural netting was discussed at length. You missed that discussion. You also missed the discussion on the “stopping” of dahlias system used in the U.K. and some dahlia show timing for the production of show blooms.

Last month one of the participants in the discussion about labels and permanent markers made the comment that permanent ink can be removed from a plastic garden tags by using steel wool. Dahlia Talk is one of those places where you can find out things you never knew. I searched my garage for my 20 year old packet of steel wool and it was right where I left it 20 years ago. It was in the old cabinet above the workbench near where we keep the tri sodium phosphate that we bought at the same time. I pulled out one of the large sized “loaves” of the steel wool and then found several of my used 6 inch plant tags. When you are a dahlia breeder and a grower of container plants and all kinds of flowers, you use a lot of garden tags. In fact, we use about 4,000 tags each year. We buy them in rolls of 2,000 tags and historically they cost about $40.00 per roll. Margaret prefers colored tags and pink and lavender are her favorites. The steel wool exceeded my expectations in removing the Sharpie ink and with about 3 swipes with the dry steel wool, the old name disappeared and the tag was ready for a new name. Am I really that cheap that I am celebrating saving two cents on a lavender plant tag? You bet I am.

    I had so many thoughts while reading.

    One was that I will not use hortonova netting again after getting my dahlias wrapped up like sea turtles in a 6 pack plastic collar when trying to adjust it at all.

    Another thought was that I think I will be putting shade cloth at whatever height I can achieve on a small ladder due to my clumsiness mentioned above.

    And lastly the Amazon grow bags are all felt and don't seem to retain a drop of water in the sun on hot July days... but I recently also found 7 lb potato grow bags made of tarp plastic for the same price and considered them. Unfortunately they all have long-john style "butt flap" windows for checking on roots, and I think that would cause water loss just the same.

    Take a look at what Greenhouse Megastore offers in Grow Bags. I have been happy with the ones I got there. They do not have the flaps. They ship quickly and their products are good. The bags I got last year were apparently twice the size I needed but it was the advice I found when I was looking...15 gallon grow bags don't flinch an inch in high winds, LOL. We grouped them in lines of 4 clustered together and sharing one of the "Downward sprinklers" from Dripworks.

      calico20hill Take a look at what Greenhouse Megastore offers in Grow Bags. I have been happy with the ones I got there

      Speaking of Greenhouse Megastore…. I placed an order with them on Friday. I was starting to get antsy today, wondering why they hadn’t shipped yet (I know, we all want such instant gratification these days right?). Anyhow, I just peeked outside my front door and there’s a giant box outside. I think the order got here before they even notified me of shipping…. 🤣🤣

      Occassionally they will be out of stock and we will have to wait for more to come from the manufacturer but mostly, these very fast turn around happen and I love it!

      Have you ever LOST an order? Not like they were out of what you wanted but as in, the tubers came in the mail, the box is now empty, and I can not find any pots with the names of those varieties! It was my Lobaughs order...5 tubers. Two Allen's Smoky Skies, a Brown Sugar, Stillwater Becky and Versa. I have listed every pot in my greenhouse and on my shelves and in my pop up in the garage without finding them! But the Lobaughs box is empty...how frustrating!!! AND CRAZY MAKING!

        calico20hill Well, no luck yet. I have sent most of the day in the Greenhouse going over things without discovering them. My son had filled the potting sink with 2 new bags of potting mix and I suspect they were on the bottom or he knocked them into it accidently while filling the sink. We've both looked and they just aren't anywhere else around...I did not already pot them up...checked all the trays of newly potted ones. I had orders from Connells and Lobaughs and the Connells ones are there. If they are at the bottom of the potting sink under the potting soil they will be just fine and probably sprouting well when I do find them! It is only 5 tubers but I will be excited when I do find them.

        Teddahlia So sorry for the redundancy, Ted. I know I asked this question before but did not save your answer. Does one have to be a member of the Portland Dahlia Society to attend the zoom talks? If so, I'd join just for the talks and the newsletters if those are emailed. We have one up in Bellingham. all the NW Wa societies have their sales in March - too early for me. Still winter here! But mainly I'd love to start going to these talks; they sound so great. Thanks for the 'minutes' - so many great topics and I love the steel wool tip, as I can't find the labels I used to use - they don't exist anymore and I reuse them til they disintegrate.

        And no, no tubers hiding under the potting soil! :-( Totally cleaned the greenhouse today without them showing up!

          Dahlia talk is open to everyone, not just club members. If you do need the link for Zoom, let me know. If you do want to participate the next one is on 04-23-24 at 7PM west coast time. Please ask a question or two as we thrive on questions.

            That is what is so frustrating! I know they are here. But I don't think they are in the greenhouse or the grow tent in the garage. Or in the house! That doesn't leave a lot of choices.
            Maybe I potted them and put the wrong labels on them? That would be weird!

              calico20hill I think when I finally found mine I had tucked them in a storage bin that had my own divided tubers in it.

              The box they came in is empty. THe labels were made but not yet inserted in pots. The Connell's tubers I was potting at the same time are done and labeled. Its a head scratcher for sure! Maybe I better empty out the Connells ones and see if the 5 Lobaughs are disguised as Connell ones..or count the labels with the tuber names and see if there are 5 extras there...if so, what journey was my mind on??!!!

                calico20hill Noni, I think your Kat is messing with your mind. Often, when I think I have misplaced something, I discover that my Kat has hidden it in the refrigerator.😽

                Hmmm, you mean that the "indoor only" cats have snuck out to my greenhouse, picked up 5 tubers and relocated them and then snuck back into the house? THat makes about as much sense as anything else! I would say that my dog ate them except she is never allowed in the "Greenhouse yard" (Because....ducks!)The ducks are not allowed in the greenhouse yard either but the fence is only tall enough to keep ducks in and dog could jump it. Crazy little farm here with lots of fences and gates!

                So I realized I made a lot of extra work for myself lol. The pots I have are 9 inches deep I usually only plant my tubers 5 inches deep. I have to dig out a foot down, a foot wide to lay this awesome hardware cloth I got on AMZN for 600 feet (6 dif rows) to get the pots to be level with the ground. My HOA would be like no can't have all those pots sticking up even slightly out of the ground.

                Good thing its still 3-4 weeks before I plant . I will likely charge people money for flowers this year every year I just like to give them away to neighbors this year I will take a $2 donation per bunch 😂

                Lost Tubers FOUND!

                THis is one of the "Head smack" ones! SO, I had taken the box out to the greenhouse with the tubers in it but without the sheet that had their names on it...Rather then make another trip back to the house, I Just wrote the tuber number on the pot tag. So, by the time I got back to it again, I had totally forgotten that part but they were safe and warm and tucked up in their pots...With only the number as ID and my eyes skipped right over the numbers ...

                Now all 5 properly labled warm and happy in the greenhouse under lights on this chilly wet day! I see only one Allen's Smoky Skies, but if the tubers were small I would have put both in the same pot until I had growth and a name on them.

                Now lets hear a unified sigh of releif!