Teddahlia I have a seedling this year from Hollyhill Daydream that measured 1.25 inches diameter when picked, and is now on day four at 1.75 inches in diameter. The form is not that great, but at least it's totally closed center. I'm guessing the pollen parent may have been Valley Porcupine. I had a series of seedlings, all consecutively numbered, that had some type of bug eating at it's roots(from a soil amendment I think). It's unclear if the small size is from the soil issue and poor health of the plant.