Prefixes and Hybridizers

MIDahlias · 2023-09-28T22:23:55+00:00

Looking for information about the JL prefix and the hybridizer Graybill (US). There is only one JL listed in the ADS online classification guide.

Krista

Cosey CW also hates heat and will bloom with split petals until the last weeks of fall when conditions match the more favorable United Kingdom conditions

This is so good to know — seeing the majority of photos posted showing split petals is something that’s preventing me from loving this one. I want to, just because of the hype (I get FOMO like the best of them!) but I’ve passed up trying to purchase this variety when shops post photos with those little splits. It’s nice to know what’s causing this effect - I’ll likely keep passing on this one, armed with this information.

Teddahlia

We have a waterlily seedling that is either watermelon red or or deep coral or some shade of smoky pink or in plain words, light red. Both Margaret and I really like this one and it did well in both 2022 and 2023.
Both Margaret and I really like this one and it did well in both 2022 and 2023.

Krista

Teddahlia Oh I just love those juicy watermelon, tutti-fruiti colors - they’re some of my favorites to have in the garden. And if this bloom is 8-10” too, I’m sold! Maybe? I can’t wait to see a giant WL someday and find out how big is “too big.”

bloomhjelm

Teddahlia The wide variety of names for red, light red and lightest red dahlias makes me want to pull out a lipstick shade chart.

I wish there were as many brownish pinks as we have in cosmetics shades, but I suppose there's no real advantage for the flowers to being brownish. But it is true I think of both dahlias and lipsticks as warm or cool.

Teddahlia

Mandy by Bob Chibante is the only big waterlily that I liked. Floppy blooms weak stems on others.

Teddahlia

Naming Dahlias

Prefixes: As much as we like clever good sounding prefixes for our seedling dahlias that need a name, there is something to be said for prefixes that have fewer letters. The ADS limits names to 22 letters including spaces and if you have a prefix for you introductions that has very few letters, you can use names with a higher letter count. What happens if the name has too many letters? They use the word "truncated' and they will shorten the name to fit. That is probably not a good thing. Hollyhill has too many letters. The alternative that was touted by someone else involved was "Tubertown". Clacks Dahlias is using "CDP" for Clack's Dahlia Patch and they can
use lots of longer names. HH Fireball that we no longer grow.

blown_dry

Teddahlia I wonder if this is part of why the Wynne folks truncated their name for the prefix?

MissyWeitzel

I don't even have any really good seedlings yet and I've already had a really long internal struggle over what my future prefix should be. Talk about putting the cart before the horse!

Teddahlia

Horse Cart Dahlias has too many letters.

calico20hill

A short prefix is also nice when labeling dahlias. If you can't use short words, make them easily abreviated such as HH for Hollyhill.

Teddahlia

Many old time breeders had two or three prefixes. There was Kenora for the show varieties and Keewatin for the not for show. Chimacum for show and Valley for not show. Can people give more examples?

Krista

Teddahlia I’ll bite!! I keep deep notes about this actually so I can try to be informed while *window shopping and discovering new-to-me cultivars. I’ll just name a few — Barry Davies uses “Barbarry” and "Miss,” Dick & Susan Ambrose used “Camano” for show and "Island" for cuts, and Leo van der Vlugt released the "Happy" and "Fubuki" series which I think is neat!

Krista

And if these notes are wrong please correct me! 🫠

Emilyp

River's and Birch Bay come to mind. They both seem to have several prefix options.

Juliarugula

I recently noticed a variety on a seller’s list called “Meggos Hollyhill”. I’m curious if anyone knows the story behind this? Ted maybe?

(No photos included, and was listed as “Not Available”.)

Teddahlia

Some dahlias are named by the recipient instead of the breeders. "Try this seedling that we are not keeping".

katyaker

Check out this list of "Dahlia Raisers Prefixes". Lists JL as Jim Lamson, USA. http://www.dahliaworld.co.uk/dprefixp.htm
A good resource to refer to when deciding on a new grower prefix. You don't want to get your heart set on a prefix that is already taken.

Teddahlia

I Believe Meggos Hollyhill is an "A" sized flower bred by Steve Meggos and may have been introduced with another name and Ginger Clack got an early release from me before it was released. I grow Meggos 18-10 and it actually has an official name that I have forgotten before writing it down. It was a grandchild's first name.

Juliarugula

Teddahlia Ginger Clack got an early release from me before it was released

Yes, it was on Ginger Clack’s list, actually (not available), so that makes sense.

katyaker

bloomhjelm
I have the same issue. My brother gave me a couple of tubers of "Carolyn Wagner" (he sometimes gets creative with spelling). I thought it might really be Carolina Wagemans. Top photo of is my flower.

Bottom photo is of Carolina Wagemans on ADS classification Guide online - https://www.dahlia.org/guide/images/CAROLINA_WAGEMANS.jpg

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